Iceland or Kumliens ?

Yesterday morning the bird never showed until mid morning and by then the light became a problem!
At first I went with Iceland, then looking through the shots I began to doubt and thought perhaps Kumliens! Then back to Iceland, and now.....
Tail band in the bottom pic -Kumliens?
Pic 7. Secondaries do look dark but probably because of being shaded from the upper wing.

The second bird that has turned up at Fendrod Lake is what we would hope to expect for a Kumliens showing all the features.
That bird does resemble the Kumliens that Alan Hughes and myself saw a few weeks back on the Ogmore.
As the literature tells us - some birds at this age are near immpossible to separate!